Tonight Show Performance Review

Post by **Kevbo1987** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:23 am

Thank you, Mama Bear, for defending all of Al's adult fans from that ignorant perception that you have to be 12 and under to like Al.

Post by **crazymelon** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:40 pm

Yes, thank you very much. I find it offensive that 12 seems to be the age everyone thinks that you "get smart", as I am 12. I am not a child, and I understand adult humor, and the intelligent side of it is my favourite part of Al's music.

Post by **Well, Well, Well** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:44 pm

I wish I was 12 again. Seriously.

sethmartin · Post by **sethmartin** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:53 pm

Sheesh... you guys totally snapped on that dude. First off the Tonight Show performance was not "Great". Granted, it didn't make my ears bleed, it was mediocre at best. The problem I see is, when the cat said his piece, you guys immediately got offended and attacked him instead of discussing why he felt that way. This is something that I see go on a lot in this Forum. It's only through discussion and argument that you reach any real truth. No offense to any one but I find that a lot of people on here are so "obsessed" with Al and worship him to the point where it's not healthy so when someone says anything at all negative, they immediately get their feelings hurt, and want to "ban" the person who made the comment instead of just saying "ok cool, if that's how you feel". The guy said nothing degrading about Al or derogatory in his post. And I wish more people who have a problem with a performance or record would speak up.

One of you got mad because he said that maybe he was starting not to like Al so much because he was growing up. Well it sounds to me that he may be right because he spoke his opinion as an adult, where as others on here cried like babies at his comment that wasn't even that bad.

I would understand if the guy slammed Al's music or personally took a stab at the fans. Yeah, that kind of stuff doesn't work in a Fan Forum. But go back and read his post. He did neither of these things and doesn't deserve to be slammed for stating his honest opinion.

Sounds to me like some people should follow his lead in the "growing up" department

NOTE: This is just my honest opinion/ rant, and was not directed to any certain person on this forum.

Seth

Post by **Well, Well, Well** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:31 pm

I agree there's a lot of overly-obsessed fans on here, but, really, that's what a message board is for, amongst other things.... I find it kind of sickening at times, but I think it just goes with the terrain. (However, changing the title of this thread so it didn't say "bad" in the title may've been a little childish, because the review is in fact negative.)

I also agree that the performance was terrible. I don't think there's too many people who thought it was awesome; because, if they did, they probably haven't seen too many "Weird Al" performances. I think most people are looking for Al to improve upon the Tonight Show performance, because they know he can do so much better. And they don't want to see someone lose interest in Al after one poor showing that may not be representative of his true abilities.

As far as voicing opinions...I'm all for it. But there's always going to be opinions of those opinions, and thus opinions on those opinions, and so on and so forth. It's a vicious, never-ending cycle that all comes back to people thinking they are right and someone else is wrong.

But I'm with you, sethmartin. If someone wants to give up on Al, that's their choice; and their reasons are their opinions. We can try to dissuade them, but we shouldn't bash them or ban them.

Post by **algonacchick** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:52 pm

Well, aren't we just snapping back, sethmartin? All I said, and a few others did, was that "worst performance ever" was a bit harsh. I did like the performance. I'm sorry, but I did. Sure, it needs work, but I didn't think it was mediocre, either. I don't begrudge anyone who was disappointed, but, I dunno, saying you're growing up because you like Al less and less just doesn't sound right. Like a few of us older fans have said, you can be grown up and still like Al. This might be a case of moving on, not growing up. I don't think I need to do that. I also don't think I'm overly obsessed, and I don't like the implication that some members here might be.

Oh, and Well, Well, Well, I wouldn't call any mod action childish if I were you. You don't wanna mess with Mama Bear.

cody · Post by **cody** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:17 pm

Well, Well, Well @ Nov 14 2006, 12:31 PM wrote: I agree there's a lot of overly-obsessed fans on here, but, really, that's what a message board is for, amongst other things.... I find it kind of sickening at times, but I think it just goes with the terrain. (However, changing the title of this thread so it didn't say "bad" in the title may've been a little childish, because the review is in fact negative.)

I also agree that the performance was terrible. I don't think there's too many people who thought it was awesome; because, if they did, they probably haven't seen too many "Weird Al" performances. I think most people are looking for Al to improve upon the Tonight Show performance, because they know he can do so much better. And they don't want to see someone lose interest in Al after one poor showing that may not be representative of his true abilities.

As far as voicing opinions...I'm all for it. But there's always going to be opinions of those opinions, and thus opinions on those opinions, and so on and so forth. It's a vicious, never-ending cycle that all comes back to people thinking they are right and someone else is wrong.

But I'm with you, sethmartin. If someone wants to give up on Al, that's their choice; and their reasons are their opinions. We can try to dissuade them, but we shouldn't bash them or ban them.

I agree.

I thought it was Al worst performance ever (well, that I'VE ever seen/heard). I don't dare voice my opinion here though because all it will cause are people to defend him.

I get it, he didn't lip-sync and most of the people here seemed to love it for some reason. (some even go so far to say the canned vocals made it BETTER?). It's obvious there is an extreme bias present in most people's opinions, and they will never dare to say anything bad about their idol. That's fine, just don't get mad if someone else does.

People have differing opinions, and this is a public board. There is no point in arguing against someone's opinion of the performance because nobody will change their mind.

Post by **algonacchick** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:25 pm

I don't think anyone said that person was wrong, just harsh. I already said I don't begrudge anyone who was disappointed. It's a shame they had to use a backing track, but the reason for that was, the sound mix for Jim, Steve and Jon was WAY too low. I thought it was a fun perfiormance to watch. The next time they perform, it will be all live. I'm sure it'll be better. Btw, there are plenty of folks here who have said they didn't like a particular song or video, so don't generalize anyone who did like the performance, and put them into a set category.

Post by **Kevbo1987** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:56 pm

I don't like the perception that we're all so blinded by our fandom, we can't accept any criticism of Al. I completely disagree with that. I wasn't crazy about The Tonight Show performance either, especially after I watched it again. It needs a lot of work. I don't mind when people say that. I really dislike it when people get mad at you for disagreeing with someone. An opinion was stated, and a whole bunch of us disagreed with the statement. I don't think anyone attacked him. People disagreed with him and stated why they thought he was wrong, but I didn't see any personal attacks being leveled. Also, no one seriously wanted to ban the poster because of his opinion. That would be pretty pathetic. Again, saying we "cried like babies" because we disagreed with something that was said is false. All people did is disagree and state their opinions.

Post by **TMBJon** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:32 am

All I have to say on the matter is that I liked the performance because I saw it in person. I only saw what ended up on TV one time, but I remember the in person version a lot better and I enjoyed it a lot. Also, the controversial backing vocals were much quieter in person.
I'd have to say that it was hardly Al's shining moment but it also wasn't terrible. Let's all chill out and wait a couple weeks. The Big In 06 performance should gauge how well he is progressing with the song and what kind of feedback he has taken away from this very discussion.