The Great Al Debate Topic

Post by **algonacchick** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:02 am

fixed now

and relax, Mecca

Post by **mewrio** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:02 am

I'd still agree with everyone here, but if Al had gone ahead, would we have even found out that Eminem didn't agree, or at least around the time of the album release?

Tony Danza · Post by **Tony Danza** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:26 pm

TheMeccaOfAlbinoPoodles @ Apr 25 2005, 05:00 AM wrote: All kidding and "Topic? " signs aside, if Al went ahead, maybe NO PARODIES for the next album

I doubt it would come to that
Marshall is truly a phony
Al is keeping it real
As sure as my name is Tony!

And those, my friends, were what I call Danza Stanzas!

Thoughts and prayers,

Tony Danza

http://www.last.fm/user/geniusinmaine · Post by **Genius in Maine** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:27 pm

I think Al should have respected Eminem's wishes and not done a CP video, but I agree with Mecca that he should have done a video for another song.

mewrio wrote: if Al had gone ahead, would we have even found out that Eminem didn't agree, or at least around the time of the album release?

I think eventually Eminem would have said something about it, like Coolio did in 1996. I'm not sure when it would have happened, since I don't think a video premiere and an album release would likely occur on the same day, but it would have happened sooner or later.

Post by **Aron** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:06 pm

It's Eminem's loss. Al's music and videos spark interest in what they parody.

Al's just a really nice guy about asking.

jerAL · Post by **jerAL** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:13 pm

No, he shouldn't have gone ahead, because of how he would have felt about himself. Those are his principles, and he abided by them. All the more for me to respect!

Website · Post by **Teh Dingo** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:18 pm

As much as it pains me to admit, Eminem's actually been an ok guy about this. He didn't want a video, Al got a few shots in and it just went back to normal. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of compromise between the two. I mean, Al made Eminem look like a complete idiot in that Al TV interview (And I highly doubt Eminem hasn't at least heard of it...too small a world), and Eminem hasn't done anything. We're talking about a man who gets offended by puppets, people.

Sure, Al could've done a video...but Eminem would've turned around and just did a video right back. And it wouldn't have been funny to us (Welll.....except iisryan. And me, I guess...I dunno. I think the guy can be hilarious when he wants to be...I'd just be offended at the same time)

Eminem basically owns MTV right now (The same way Michael Jackson thought he did when he tried to get the plug pulled on the Just Lose It video). All Eminem would have to do is say the word, and Al's video would be DOA (Just as long as Al isn't of course

), and Al would've seen a backlash.

Eminem won the battle, but Al won the war. Remember...Al came off in all of this in a very generous media light. The majority, even if they weren't Al fans, told Eminem to give it a rest. No, Eminem didn't lose any fans and Al didn't gain any. And Poodle Hat's sales aren't where they should be, but I highly doubt that at the end of the day, Al really cares about it.

As I've mentioned before, I think Poodle Hat is in for a big time revival when the next ALbum comes out. No one (Unfortunatly including Al) will be able to avoid rehashing the Eminem story. A story that only really lasted two weeks in the Non Al fan community then (If that), will make more of an impact three or four years later with a video that'll last two months. (OK...not more of an impact than almost 50,000 copies in the first week....but you get what I mean)

Sure, there could have been another video, but Al works hard enough, don't you think? He'll get 'em next time.

MentalPatient · Post by **MentalPatient** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:33 pm

All I can say is: well said, Dingo!

I agree, and feel that is was wise that Al went with Eminem's wishes, and didn't parody the video. That puts Al in a good light, and we all want that, right!?

Post by **Elvis** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:15 am

I think Al should have bumped "Couch Potato" from the lead single to track 3, and dumped "Trash Day" entirely from the album, and written a new lead single and filmed a video for that.

Yes, even if that meant delaying the album until the middle or end of the 2003 summer tour. (Yes, I just said that, don't act so surprised.) I don't think any of the other tracks are strong enough for a video, so he'd need to write another strong song and do a video for that. The tour could still go on, with the same setlist, as everything was already recorded. Plus how cool would that be -- a tour with most of the songs "concert-only"!!

That would be my first choice. My second choice would have been for him to have done the video. The law allows him to parody videos, and he already had permission to parody the song, so what's the problem? Eminem has said that the hang-up was with the record companies, not him or Al, so, the only people who would be "upset" if Al did a video would be some record company people. The record company's P.R. person would tell them to suck it up, because if they tried to make a big deal about it, Al would look like the victim. The public already has a lot of issues with big record companies, and the last thing they need is to look like they're picking on the little guy, especially given that Al had their permission to parody the song to begin with, and has the law on his side to parody the video.

Dave

Post by **Driew_La_27** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:52 am

Man, everyone's making REALLY good points.... I'm split now.