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weirdojace wrote:He hasn't earned my trust, actually. Yeah, he made "White & Nerdy" which was amazing. But like Jon said, he was perfectly content with releasing You're Pitiful as the lead parody. Not at all a strong choice and wouldn't have done nearly as well.

Not to mention using "Couch Potato" for Poodle Hat. Awful song. Even with a video... still would have been a terrible song. Ugh, it felt like such a throwaway idea.

And this album doing well, and Al making a big comeback after the success of W&N all depends on how good of an idea this lead parody will be.
Seconded. Don't get me wrong, I love Al regardless, but I agree with this.

You're Pitiful, while it was a decent enough song, should've nowhere been the lead parody, and the fact that Al was content to release it as a lead single to a new album kinda says a lot. And, the 'controversy' over the song did give him some press, but nowhere in said press do I read anyone praising the song itself as being a great or funny song, really. Eventually some criticisms surfaced, but since it was a free release, well, meh.

Couch Potato was kinda terrible. Bad as Syndicated, Inc.
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Except Couch Potato was funny.
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I really liked Syndicated Inc. :(
People are way too harsh on that, and GJWHL.
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I could see one making an argument that they enjoy Syndicated Incorporated or Couch Potato from the viewpoint that they are at least good musical arrangements, and sound very much like the originals, but there's absolutely no way one could justify they as being good "Weird Al songs", simply on the basis of the fact that they aren't funny and don't contain any jokes or humor.
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Don't get me wrong, I do like Syndicated Inc. (It does SOUND really good) and even GJWHL, although it sounds like Al was trying to parody HIMSELF when he recorded that song... which actually would probably make sense given the circumstances he recorded it under.

But Couch Potato was funny, and actually did have jokes in it, where Syndicated Inc. was probably the closest thing to being a strict "list song;" there is and had no real humor in it (other than the fact it's sort of amusing when you take into account the original chorus was "Frustrated Incorporated," which obviously doesn't save it.) If you don't remember Couch Potato being funny at all, you probably haven't heard it in a while and don't remember much about it. (Other than the fact it sucked, apparently.)
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spmahn wrote:there's absolutely no way one could justify they as being good "Weird Al songs", simply on the basis of the fact that they aren't funny and don't contain any jokes or humor.
What the smurf are you talking about, dude? Read the lyrics to Couch Potato.
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Couch Potato is funny (or at least written in attempt to be), but it's not a good lead parody. Poodle Hat was honestly doomed from the start the minute Al decided to make that song the lead. Really no viral potential, even if that video got made. And the song idea itself is just another "okay listen as Al makes fun of current TV shows for 3 or 4 minutes."

The lead parody for Poodle Hat should have been either A Complicated Song or eBay. (eBay even got kinda popular on its own, I'm sure a video of it would have exploded. But being a parody of a 4 year old song I doubt Al really saw the potential in it.) And even after the Eminem debacle, why couldn't Al just freaking make a video for a different song? We all blame PH selling badly on that, but really Al is as much to blame for just deciding "ok that's it!" and not just doing another song. Videos are promotion material. If he made an official video for ACS or eBay, then I'm sure Poodle Hat would have sold moderately better.

edit: further illustrating my point that Al needs to make videos for more than one song again.
and by that I mean actual videos, not just hiring some animator to whip up something
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One thing to keep in mind with the video debate is the fact that music videos as a whole dropped in importance as a marketing tool from about 1998 through around 2006, as there really wasn't much of any outlet for them to be played. Youtube didn't exist until 2005, and didn't explode until 2007 or so, MTV was long past their days of playing videos, relegating them to 30 second snippets on phony voting shows like TRL, and most of the remaining outlets that were still playing videos were obscure digital cable and sattelite stations that weren't widely available.

For those of us who remember, Al did have some very funny videos at the time to promote The Saga Begins and Pentiums, but the problem was that unless you saw them online on Al's Website, or caught them the one time MTV played them outside of AlTV, you wouldn't have known they existed, so ultimately they were of little importance from a marketing perspective.

The Internet however has changed this, and has done wonders fo Al's career. When in the past, his music and videos were largely ignored by mainstream radio and television stations, fans now have the ability to promote his music and his videos through Youtube and other online outlets where they are available.
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Yeah, you're right... that's really more wishful thinking on my part that he would make more live action videos.
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And even after the Eminem debacle, why couldn't Al just freaking make a video for a different song?
Well, he DID. It was called "Bob."

Oh, why didn't he make a REAL video? Well, the label had already wasted so much money on "Couch Potato" pre-production ("Couch Potato" was apparently gonna be the most expensive Weird Al video ever) that they simply didn't have it in the budget to make another. I know, I know, every album except Even Worse before that had more than one video, but in almost every case, that second video ("Gump," "Pentiums," YDLMA, etc.) was greenlit only AFTER the album was released, and had made enough money to justify the cost of that second video - the only exceptions I can think of are "Bedrock Anthem" (which was affordable only because "Jurassic Park" had been animated, and thus cheaper) and "UHF" (when a movie studio is throwing promotional money into the mix, things suddenly become more affordable). The sales of Poodle Hat just weren't strong enough.
We all blame PH selling badly on that, but really Al is as much to blame for just deciding "ok that's it!" and not just doing another song.
Um...no, he's not. That's not quite how the entertainment industry works. The record label writes the checks, and they make the calls on when those checks will be written. You might as well lay the blame on Al for not "wanting" to make another movie after UHF, or not doing a second season of The Weird Al Show. I'm sure Al PITCHED them an ACS or eBay video, and they figured that would just be throwing good money after bad - especially given the points spmahn just made about videos not really being shown ANYWHERE in 2003.

Here's what really gets me about your argument, weirdojace. You say "Couch Potato" was an unworthy lead single. Fine. But consider where Al was when he wrote it. He hadn't released an album in four years. He was desperately searching for a lead-off single, some big hit like "Eat It" or "Like A Surgeon" or "Smells Like Nirvana," based around a pop culture phenomenon. And the biggest pop culture phenomenon at the time was Eminem - everyone was asking if Al would parody him, as he was the biggest, most successful artist in the world (sound familiar?) The problem was, all of Em's biggest hits had goofy, (allegedly) funny videos ANYWAY - to parody them would have been redundant. Then 8 Mile comes out, and with it the "Lose Yourself" single, and finally he has a big huge single serious enough to parody. It's the PERFECT target - just add Genius Lyrical Parody Concept.

Well, the Genius Lyrical Parody Concept just wasn't there, but Al forced one anyway because TO NOT PARODY EMINEM WOULD'VE BEEN JUST STUPID AS HE'S THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ARTIST IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW (sound familiar yet?) And when the Biggest Artist In The World turned out NOT to be as nice a guy as Michael Jackson or Kurt Cobain, all Al had to show for this monumental decision to PARODY THE BIGGEST ARTIST IN THE WORLD was a single that you call "weak."

My concern is, if Al FORCES himself to parody Lady Gaga without a Genius Lyrical Parody Concept behind it, the spark just won't be there, and he'll produce another "Couch Potato." "White & Nerdy," on the other hand, WAS a Genius Lyrical Parody Concept, no question about it. It was based off a #1 hit song, sure, but not by an artist everyone was chomping at the bit wondering if he would parody. THAT'S what Al needs to look for again in an Album #13 leadoff single - a Genius Lyrical Parody Concept like the one that won him his first top ten single, based on a song that's popular but not necessarily ubiquitous. Starting with Gaga would just be putting the cart before the horse.
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